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Nebra
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Re: Hurricanes, Disaster, War and Our Religion new [Re: WabJenSoko]
      #25318 - 09/09/05 01:39 PM

I got most of my info from someone who knows and she will remain namless because of who she works for.... not the news.... I don't trust the News .... they spin things badly.... the bottom line... there's to much blame, too much red tape and now things are too heavy handed..... forcing people to leave completely safe dry areas while folks in flooded inner city areas still wait....... this mess is so miss managed on all levels it's sickening.....and it was messed up before the Fed got involved.......

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RevSedgwickAdministrator
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Related to our religion new [Re: RevRenee]
      #25330 - 09/13/05 12:17 AM

Em hotep, everyone! <bow>

I spent a little time on the Web today, looking for what people whose words I would ordinarily not read are saying "caused" Hurricane Katrina. I mean, I've heard about global warming, and the weakness of the levees and pumping stations, and the lack of federal funding for repair, and so on. And we've talked here about Set energy--Wab Jen suggests that it may be Aset's energy--and whether the hurricane might have been "necessary" destruction. Et cetera, et cetera, and so forth, as the King of Siam said.

Well, I found a few interesting sites, in about five minutes' looking:


No doubt there are many more explanations, and I'm listing them here not just to poke fun at them.

I actually do have a point, and it is that we may do better to look at the reality of what happened in New Orleans specifically than to look at why it might have happened. We know a lot of what happened: the hurricane flooded the city by breaking through the levees and dams, emergency response was inadequate and late, many people died, thousands are homeless, most may never be able to return to the city. All of that is commonplace news.

Here's something else I think is worth thinking about. New Orleans was home to a significant population of people who practiced African traditional religions of various kinds: Vodou, Santeria, and so on. In some ways these are our brothers and sisters. We are Kemetics, they practice other forms of traditional African religions, but we have common grounding in the religions and worldviews of Africa.

Many of these people are black, many are poor, many have died or been dispossessed. That is really significant, I think. A whole community of people with whom we share our roots has been broken up. This is a great loss, and I pray that they will be able to find one another again and that their roots will grow deep elsewhere and bear beautiful fruit once more.

Please join me in this prayer. I'm afraid there are folks who are all too happy that these African-based practitioners have been lost.

Rev Sedgwick

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TaraFox
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Re: Related to our religion new [Re: RevSedgwick]
      #25335 - 09/13/05 09:07 PM

em hotep,

I've never posted here before, but having started a Set/Katrina discussion on HoN, I thought I'd ask y'all a few questions.

From the responces at HoN, it appears that the majority of KO'ers don't believe Netjer had anything to do with Katrina, they feel it was more along the lines of Apep's work. (I'm summarizing, there were differing opinions, but that was the most common)

How do you guys feel? Apep? Set? Both?


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RevReneeAdministrator
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Re: Related to our religion new [Re: TaraFox]
      #25343 - 09/14/05 04:03 PM

Em hotep Tara
<bow>

Well I don't see that it matters much.

Shocked that I said that? Good!

I think it matters a great deal THAT it does not matter.

I'm not one for riddles either so let me explain.

First, Apep can only gain an upper hand when things are seriously out of whack.

And, well, things with the United States are indeed seriously out of whack. Yet that is also a time when Set and Netjer act in the service of Ma'at to make things right.

In this sense either option can make sense in our worldview. But here is where it gets tough:

Second, the destruction wrought by Katrina is not by any stretch positive. The victims are not those who are responsible for things being out of whack but rather the poor and disproportionately black poor population of Louisiana. The changes likely to come are not those that will benefit those communities but, as they have already, will benefit the rich companies and contractors who will build housing which those displaced will not be able to afford. Some may get some work building these homes over their old ones that they cannot live in themselves; but given Bush's recent decision to free companies from normal wage requirements during the reconstruction of the city, those who get the work will receive unusually low wages. Great eh?

While that would not seem to be the sort of choice Netjer would make, we are not Netjer. It is certainly possible that bringing to light the terrible suffering that results from our nation's injustices at home and abroad and how they are linked could well be a part of a larger plan which would seem a choice that Netjer would make.

It could also be reasonably inferred that the injustice released Apep and the target of the most vulnerable portion of the population would be a typical choice of Apep.

And of course being Kemetic we could suggest it to be both and more!

And guess what? It DOES NOT MATTER WHICH IS CORRECT.

In either case what we have is a situation of humanly caused injustice and isfet which will continue to grow and turn on us through all sorts of human, natural, and supernatural events if we do not correct the situation.

In either case the only appropriate response is a recognition of our human role in the disaster.

* We need to take seriously the environmental concerns such as global warming that increase the likelihood of natural catastrophes.

At present the Bush Administration has called all such concerns nonsense.

* We need to stop the killing of Iraqi people in numbers that far outstrip the hurricane in proportion.

* We need to preserve and fight for the democratic traditions of this country being removed in the name of a "war against terrorism." The number of Arabs imprisoned with no charges and no rights grows each week.

* We need to take a hard look at racism and poverty and how they work together to deny people basic survival and human rights.

* We need to ask whether it is Ma'at to continue to benefit the rich while the poor suffer

Look at the realities here:

Many poor did not have access to transportation to get out of Louisiana.

The rich drove out in their recreational vehicles before the storm.

The poor were put in the Astrodome without food or resources. They were treated as prisoners with a focus not on saving lives but preventing damage to property!

The rich had well organized shelters outside the endangered area.

This is the place where it is impossible to speak to Ma'at and avoid politics.

The privatization of governmental functions is not Ma'at.

That is the primary agenda of the Bush admninistration. And this is not leftist myth or secret. Bush is proud of ths idea.

If rebuilding is in corporate hands,it will be done to serve corporate interests--not Ma'at

Less government is a rather American and modern idea. Government abandoning responsibility to the poor and the just distribution of resources is not an idea compatible with our religion. Ma'at is first and foremost SOCIAL: it is about justice in the WHOLE.

That is our work as Kemetic Traditionalists. Attributing responsibility anywhere outside the human realm is a cop out. The hurricane happened. It was not the CAUSE of this disaster. Netjer is undoubtibly aware and present in the midst of all of this. But this was an act of neither Netjer nor Apep. They are not the primary cause.

We are.

When we have the ABILITY to act for Ma'at and do not, we fail in our RESPONSE-ABILITY.

We are the ones responsible.

We can call on Netjer to help us, but it is we, humans and especially citizens of the United States, who are responsible for the chaos in the world today.

May we act to counter those forces of isfet acting in our name.

May Netjer help us as a community and each of us to do this in the way most suited to who we are and our call in the world.

Kheperu!

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Edited by RevSedgwick (09/14/05 04:12 PM)


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Melinda
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Re: Related to our religion new [Re: RevRenee]
      #25344 - 09/14/05 05:33 PM

Wow, those are some inspiring words. Definitly something to take to heart.

Oh and Hi TaraFox. Nice to see a familiar face... er... name. *^_^*.


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WabJenSokoAdministrator
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Re: Related to our religion new [Re: TaraFox]
      #25345 - 09/14/05 06:24 PM

Hotep TaraFox *bow*

while it's tempting to think that Katrina is the work of Apep (and not hard to do, considering all the death and destruction, and the fact that some of it seems intentional), laying blame at Apep's feet is somewhat...limiting.

Apep is about unexistence...unbeing. While Katrina may have wiped New Orleans as we know it off the map and reshaped the Gulf Coast for years to come, none of it is un-Being. Consider for a moment...mentally lift up all the cities, towns, roads, homes, businesses, man-made structures, etc., out of the way of the storm's path, and what do you find? Hurricane Katrina flooded some areas, and brought much-needed rain to others. The flooding from the Mississippi plain, like the Nile flooding, shifts around the sediment and shakes up the nutrient composition of the dirt. That's not un-making at all.

But Katrina didn't un-make NOLA, or any of the other, smaller towns and cities where she hit. She didn't un-make the people who lost their lives to her wrath, either. People were and are just as much part and parcel to natural disasters as Nature is. One of Katrina's big lessons, I think, is that she showed us what happens when we don't take care of each other in community. Our national community has a government in place to maintain order, and we have come to expect that government to keep order in situations where we can't just let things slide on autopilot. What we saw with Katrina is that the plans that were made (or not made, as it were), didn't work.

What we also saw, too, or are seeing now as more and more news reports come in, is that people--individuals and small groups or centers of community--are helping each other...or trying to, where they're not being actively blocked.

Our worldview in KTR says that the world tends towards Ma'at. So how could Katrina be "in Ma'at" so to speak? And more importantly, *why* would so much destruction be "in Ma'at?" The answers aren't easy to come up with, and in my experience with Netjer and Their messages to us, they shouldn't be heard with only the short, direct, or causal view in mind. What we learn from this is going to be something as vast and far-reaching as Katrina herself.

In contrast to some of the wingnuttery found at the links a few posts back, I'm inclined to think that the Divine message from Katrina has got to be more sublime and multi-faceted than just, "God did it to punish [insert favorite group of People Different From Us here] for [insert favorite behavior/attitude/belief Different From Us here]." The Divine is a lot smarter than that.

senebty,
WabetJen

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KheperaAkasha
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Re: Related to our religion new [Re: RevRenee]
      #25346 - 09/14/05 11:35 PM

Well spoken and I fully agree.

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"Pain and foolishness lead to great bliss and complete knowledge, for Eternal Wisdom created nothing under the sun in vain."
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RevSedgwickAdministrator
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Re: Related to our religion new [Re: WabJenSoko]
      #25349 - 09/15/05 07:44 PM

Hotep, everyone! <bow>

As always, Wab Jen, you have a wonderful way of putting complicated thoughts into clear language. Thanks a lot.

What strikes me about the "explanations" propounded in the links I posted above and also in our natural desire to find a "cause" for an event like hurricane Katrina, is that all of these put all the causality, and all the responsibility, on the divine or something/someone other than ourselves. Not that I think any of us could huff and puff and blow New Orleans down. Far from it.

But a thought keeps running in my mind. In the world religions course I teach online, we read in one lesson an excerpt from an autobiography of a Jesuit priest in Honduras. He talks about a saying of St. Ignatius, the founder of the Jesuits. The saying is something like, "Pray as if everything depends on God; work as if everything depends on you."

That combination of relying on Netjer and taking appropriate action to help Ma'at ascend makes sense to me. None of the other explanations does, because they are too one-sided and simplistic, and because they leave human agency out of the picture (except, of course, in the blame laid on various Humans Different from Us whose behavior caused God's scourge).

Rev Sedgwick

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TaraFox
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Re: Related to our religion new [Re: RevRenee]
      #25350 - 09/15/05 11:27 PM

thanks for the response! Hello Melinda!

this is all IMHO, as allways.

Quote:

Apep is about unexistence...unbeing. While Katrina may have wiped New Orleans as we know it off the map and reshaped the Gulf Coast for years to come, none of it is un-Being.




That's how I had thought of Apep. I would assume (yes, that's bad of me) that the work of such a force would be nearly incomprehensible to us. Death and destruction are not un-being, they are transitional phases of everything, yes? That does not seem like un-being to me...

I agree that Katrina is not the work of Apep, thought I feel it is the work of the divine. (being an animist, Nature is my God, and this was an act of Nature) Or rather, a RE-action of Nature. Humans are a very active force in Nature, thus we are also responsible for disasters such as this. Through our disregard fo the wellbeing of the environment, the lack of action to prepare for a major catastrophy... the list goes on.

Being that the divine is vastly more insightfull and aware than we humans, I agree that Katrina's lessons will be intricate, long-lasting, and far-reaching.

Quote:

I'm inclined to think that the Divine message from Katrina has got to be more sublime and multi-faceted than just, "God did it to punish [insert favorite group of People Different From Us here] for [insert favorite behavior/attitude/belief Different From Us here]." The Divine is a lot smarter than that.




EXACTLY.


hmm... let me explain my stance on Netjer/God/divinity/Nature. I believe God is in everything. I have come to know God in small ways by the Netjeru, which I see as a part of the Natural world. Thus I see the Netjeru in everything, as they are all Names of Netjer/God. But we/humans are not passive bystanders within the realm of creation. We are active participants with minds that allow us to be aware of our actions, as well as consider the re-actions we may produce.

Thus why I feel that Netjer had a hand in the hurricane, because It has a hand in everything. But a storm is just a storm, they come and go all the time, and we know that. Humans failed to prepare properly, and the damage was far more severe than it should have been.

So really, I am not blaming the storm for being a storm (I hate the "blame" word, I got accused of "blaming" on the HoN board, which was not my intention). If anything....


blah. I confused myself. >_<;

thank you all again, I greatly appreciate your time and thoughts! Feel free to rip mine apart.


em hotep!


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Nebra
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Re: Related to our religion [Re: RevSedgwick]
      #25364 - 09/20/05 11:54 AM

I think perhaps there is a silver lining here too.... sometimes things don't change because of intrenched behaviors and mind sets on both sides........scattering these people has forced them into a different physical location..... where their own lack of effort must be set aside ...... welfare should be a short term help not a multi generational life carreer..... and it seems this has been the norm in some instances .... also Katrina has brought into to glaring light the lack of concern by the local and state governments of Lousiana..... these agencies are more interested in Tourists.... and census numbers.... than in getting their people off the poverty rolls.... and into productive,educated, dignified lives

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