IsepLies
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Dear PerAnkh viewers:
I along with my friends Amy a.k.a. kittypower from teh House of Netjer, and Alan a.k.a. Archael also from the House of Netjer, were members of the beginner's class for Per-Ankh.
I had stated that the House of Netjer were "jerks". For this reason I was placed upon board moderation and not able to post.
However, Rev. Renee Levant sat in the fist beginners class with myself, Amy, Alan and other members of both the House of Netjer and Per-Ankh and started a mudslinging session at teh Houe of Netjer, calling them a cult, and pretty much telling everyone that she is speaking for ALL OF PER ANKH and that is her stance.
On the private boards she claims that she speaks for EVERY MEMBER OF PER ANKH and that if they don't like it they can pretty much get out.
Not only this but they make public claims that they do not mudsling at other groups, yet Rev. Jade Falcon has actually created a ficticious name in previous forums to degrade the group akhet Hwt-Hrw. Not only this but they continue to preach that the House of Netjer is a cult in their beginners classes....
The classes are a mudslinging and indoctrination session adn only that...they do not provide any verifiably historically correct information to their classes and they do not teach anything other than how they are attempting to be an elitist cult of so-called "Kemetic" people.
There ya go.
need more?
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Edited by Renee (02/01/03 11:27 PM)
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RevRenee
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Em hotep Isep!
<bow>
I hope this finds you well.
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Dear PerAnkh viewers:
I along with my friends Amy a.k.a. kittypower from teh House of Netjer, and Alan a.k.a. Archael also from the House of Netjer, were members of the beginner's class for Per-Ankh.>>
Yes, you and your roomates joined and were just starting the New member class.
<<I had stated that the House of Netjer were "jerks". For this reason I was placed upon board moderation and not able to post. >>
No. You were banned from posting after posting material from our private classroom to your live journal.
Prior to this you had been placed on moderated status after repeated insisting on stating in your user profile that the "House of Netjerk" in were only our for money and people should not join them.
We wrote and pointed out that our Terms of Service includes not using derogatory towards towards any organization or person and asked you to remove it. We told you if it was not removed we would remove it and give you your first warning.
We then did warn you and remove this statement from your profile and informed you that if you repeated this you would be placed on moderation. When you changed your profile again to read "net jerks", you were subsequently placed on moderation.
<<However, Rev. Renee Levant sat in the fist beginners class with myself, Amy, Alan and other members of both the House of Netjer and Per-Ankh >>
Actually John you did not come to the first chat except to drop in to point out that another "John was not you"
<<and started a mudslinging session at the Houe of Netjer, calling them a cult, >>
Actually the chat which was only a question and answer session began at 9pm central time and went for over 2 hours. At the very end, a member did ask about our view of the House of Netjer and we did state our belief about their structure.
<<and pretty much telling everyone that she is speaking for ALL OF PER ANKH and that is her stance.>>
Yes. I stated that this was the temple's stance. Later I did state that I as Second Servant and Director of Education can speak for the temple.
<<On the private boards she claims that she speaks for EVERY MEMBER OF PER ANKH and that if they don't like it they can pretty much get out.>>
Actually I stated many times that not all members must agree with Per Ankh's positions...just as not every Catholic agrees with the Catholic Church's postitions (or any church for that matter)
<<The classes are a mudslinging and indoctrination session adn only that...they do not provide any verifiably historically correct information to their classes and they do not teach anything other than how they are attempting to be an elitist cult of so-called "Kemetic" people.>>
What is true is that our emphasis is on the culture and the worldview of the Ancient Egyptians. History is NEVER purely neutral as Egyptologist Jan Assman points ou in his work "The Mind of Egypt" History and Meaning in the time of the pharohs"
Here he discuses how "archeological facts" are meaningless unless considered within the context of culture and worldview. It is an especially good book for those who might wish to understand our approach to the study of Ancient Egyptian Religion.
Further the class discussion for Lesson One and Two so far in the first weeks of class have been on some wonderful topics  Current discussions include issues of responsibility and community, Ma'at, creation accounts, approaches to the study of AE religion and more .
Lesson one discusses the geography of Ancient Egypt and how that shaped their worldview and culture...
The religion of Ancient Egypt was indeed a total worldview and approach to life rather than merely a set of beliefs about the divine. So yes, in some sense to become "Kemetic" is to adopt this worldview and culture.
Of course one of the really cool things about The Ancient Egyptian worldview is that within it there is a wider range of beleifs possible than those of faiths that are based on much more specific creeds.
Three people loooking through kemet ColoredGlasses will still each have different unique experiences and interpretations. Yet they will have a family resemblance to other kemetic interpretations...and less of a resemblance to modern western ones.
Blessings
Rev Renee Levant
Educational Director
Per Ankh
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Rev Renee Levant, Hemet Sekhmet & Aset
Founder & Wehemu & Educational Director
Per Ankh: The Traditional Religion of Ancient Egypt
http://www.per-ankh.org
Edited by JadeCat (01/31/03 06:56 PM)
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DarkWolf
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 (((Renee))))
I read his journal. All I can say is, sometimes people have a problem seeing both sides of a story . . .
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Darkwolf
Speak Ma'at, do Ma'at.
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Anonymous
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Em hotep:
I read it too.
Check this out!
TrueIsep
remind y'all of anyone we know?
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Merikare
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Em Hotep brothers/sisters
hahaha that drawing is really good!!
i personally think everyon have to follow his/her own philosphy, but respect the others is part of mine....and this philosophy luckly fit the kemetic vision of the world 
but anyway, i would like to introduce a "new" topic...
in isep's post, i saw some stuff about the hwt-herw site...
a good kemetic respect another one as his/her brother, and if i believed rev.Renee and rev. Jade didn't do that, i would not take them as examples of faith!  .....
but if that topic about the union and brotherhood between the sons of the netjerw,i can only say we need it 
but as an united religion......i believe everyone knows th one who would unify every temple in the world......he would be the sa ra, nesu bity.....where is our pharaho????its perfect possible to fit one (a special one, of course) in the modern days....and we have enough tradition......
every good kemetic, think about that
ma't and hotep to all
ankh wdja seneb
Merikare
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SatAsetNebetHet
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Loc: USA
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Em Hotep,
We've discussed this in class at Per Ankh a little. And what I've learned is that the Office of the Nisut is Divine and Not the Person per se.
On a personal note, I wouldn't be comfortable with "one special person" uniting any religion. To each his/her own...
In Ancient Egypt each temple did there own thing their own way, so to be united would go against how the ancient Egyptians practiced, imho.
senebty,
Luellon
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Daughter of Aset and Nebet Het
Devotee of Wepwawet, Nit, Wesir and Sekhmet
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Jade
shemsu per ankh
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Loc: The San Francisco Bay Area
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Em Hotep Merikare,
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but if that topic about the union and brotherhood between the sons of the netjerw,i can only say we need it
but as an united religion......i believe everyone knows th one who would unify every temple in the world......he would be the sa ra, nesu bity.....where is our pharaho????its perfect possible to fit one (a special one, of course) in the modern days....and we have enough tradition......
every good kemetic, think about that
Per Ankh has a particular stance on the nisut question, which is located here:
My first and not the last dumb question in which a member asked us about having a nisu/nisut.
We looked at what the ancients did, and how that could apply to our spiritual life. The thread link above, outlines our thoughts on the matter. We've also discussed it in greater detail on the rest of the KOL/Per Ankh forums.
m ma'at
Rev. Jade
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Shemsu Per Ankh
(http://www.per-ankh.org)
(http://www.kemetonline.com)
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RevRenee
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Loc: Racine Wisconsin
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Em hotep Merikare,
Actually the question of a "Nisut" or not for modern times has been discussed at length on the KOL member boards.
You can also find a discussion of this topic.
HERE
Please take alook at these threads and feel free to chime in!
Best
Rev Renee
Educational Director
Per Ankh
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Rev Renee Levant, Hemet Sekhmet & Aset
Founder & Wehemu & Educational Director
Per Ankh: The Traditional Religion of Ancient Egypt
http://www.per-ankh.org
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Seta
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Em hotep Rev Jade et all,
I will say that in my personal spirituality/religious practices...while I try to be as close to the ancient ways as possible, there are just too many Gods and Goddesses in my mind and that I am in debt to and that I love so that I can't just forsake them - so I include them in with the Kemetic ways of worship - which does not always go well with the other God/s and/or Goddess/' way of doing things !!! But it's the only way I know how to do things until I am more settled in what I am supposed to be doing. Yes, I doubt myself, but I also am scared to travel that road that I feel is mine...because it's not dark, but lonely, and some if not a lot of it I have to pave my own way. I know I am never alone, I just feel that way - I guess like a spoiled brat.
Okay, what does this have to do with the question of "Nisut"? Well a lot. We don't live in a world where a Nisut would be honored or venerated or acknowledged by the masses - maybe quite a bit - but I know for one, their is only one person who calls himself "Nisu" that I would agree that He has potention for that "spot" or is the "Nisu" of the new generations and beginning for Kemet. I am also very proud. I will prostrate before the Gods - and even then I feel a good kick in the butt and someone saying "get up and look us in the eyes girl!" - but not before another human, and once I had a man - a total white haired stranger - do "henu" before me - I was stunned - but I won't accept it. No. I won't. Too proud. (If I truly had a life as a priestess of Set in Ancient Kemet during the reign of Seti I and Ramessu II - I wonder how I was then??? I guess I was beaten down to my knees publically. :: sigh :: ) But also, from who and what I see - and no offense to those of you I do not know well enough - I see no one who truly can do the honors and responsibilities of the crown... NOT EVEN ME !!! So I believe that a "Nisut" may be redundant in this day and age, but that is truly something the Nutjeru must speak to me and teach me about - and I feel a mixed feeling right now.
I hope I made sense to all of you. Be well, take care and much love to one and all!
Senebty!
~ Seta
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RevRenee
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Em hotep Katie!
<bow>
I believe it makes perfect sense. On your feeling lonely:
There is a way in which on some level we are each very much alone. Having a teacher or a Nisut or a community or a boyfriend or girlfriend etc... will never change that feeling.
When I look back and consider times when I WANTED to hold a teacher in the place of the sort of "Nisut" you speak of...I too found myself very confused .
Looking back it is easy to understand that confusion. Human persons can and do mediate the divine! Netjer can and does speak through our daily lives and at times through other human persons.
Having experienced this with someone....and having a strong desire for the divine....it is not hard..especially in an environment which fosters the individual AS partly or fully divine...to go along with it...and to become confused beause no one can live up to that standard. (Nor would it be healthy for the person or their "followers" to try!)
So , in such situations when you feel the divine in and through the person you say "IT IS TRUE"...and when you don't you say "Hmm Maybe in THIS they are not divine but in THAT they are" and so forth. What a mess! Of course it would get confusing!
No teacher, no Guru will EVER be anything But a human.
(Aside: The ancient Egyptians made this point in humor about their pharoh's all the time. The modern "guru" really doesn't resemble the Kemetic King at all.!)
As to uniting Kemet..Kemet as in Ancient times is best united IN it's diversity..not by attemptng to claim "nisuthood"
Best
Rev Renee Levant
Co-Founder, Educational director Per Ankh
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Rev Renee Levant, Hemet Sekhmet & Aset
Founder & Wehemu & Educational Director
Per Ankh: The Traditional Religion of Ancient Egypt
http://www.per-ankh.org
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