Elleynia
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I'm told this is probably the best place to post this.
I wonder if anyone else on here has or does work with Nefertem, or even has information about him.
Thanks
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RevRenee
Founder-Wehemu
Reged: 06/12/01
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Loc: Racine Wisconsin
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Em hotep Ellenynia
<bow>
What specifically do you want to know about "the lotus blossom before the nose of Ra" ?
*grin* I love that image. It is from the Pyramid texts refering to Nefertem (PT 266)
He is one of those strongly tied to Ra Heru and Kingship.
Earlier on he is understood as the emergence of Ra from the lotus which emerged from the primeval waters at creation
A bit later at Memphis Nefertum is said to be the child of Sekhmet and Ptah
It would be really interesting to reflect on what sort of Child a union of Ptah and Sekhmet would bring about:)
and how it might connect to earlier representations
I gotta go but I know a certain child of Sekhmet and Wab Priest of Ptah who will probably want to jump in here:)
More soon
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Rev Renee Levant, Hemet Sekhmet & Aset
Founder & Wehemu & Educational Director
Per Ankh: The Traditional Religion of Ancient Egypt
http://www.per-ankh.org
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Elleynia
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Hi RevRenee
What would I like to know? erm, everything! I'm specifically interested in him as "god of perfume" although I think that aromatics is a better term, and in his links with the rising sun. The blue lotus thing I find fascinating.
I've read that he was occasionally depicted as being the son of Bast as well, just to complicate matters further.
I'm curious about other people's eperiences of him. I'm trying to find out why he's nudging me and what I'm supposed to do. I'm hoping that by talking to others I may get a clue 
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WabAndy
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Loc: New Hampshire
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can you discribe any of your experinces with hom? and what that nudging feels like?
also - you may want to try the Per Ankh daily rite -
http://www.kemetonline.com/dailyrite.html
which I've found to be a very powerfull tool in developing my relationship with Netjer.
Take care!
Andy
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Andy Dolph, Wab Priest Aset-Hethert
Per Ankh The Traditional Reigion of Ancient Egypt
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KheperaAkasha
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Loc: Cambridge, Ontario, Canada
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Em Hotep Nia!
*bows*
I know that you've mentioned having done a web search on Nefertem - I just thought I'd post a little info for those who wanted a little overview of Him.
As a Bast kid, I did a little research about Him early on in my searchings, but haven't formed a connection with Him as of yet. But now that He's come up, maybe I'll try to forge a relationship with Him when the first waterlilies appear at the cottage this spring Thanx for bringing Him to mind again.
Ankh Udja Seneb
michelle/khep
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"We must be the change we wish to see in the world."
- Gandhi
"Pain and foolishness lead to great bliss and complete knowledge, for Eternal Wisdom created nothing under the sun in vain."
-Kahlil Gibran, "The Voice of the Poet"
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WabJenSoko
Wab Priest / KOL Newsletter Editor / Central Regio
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Hotep Nia *bow*
I haven't done any work or had any specific experiences with Nefertem. However, I'm a Sekhmet kid and I serve Ptah, and in the Memphite theology, he is their son.
I have come to think of Sekhmet and Ptah as "He who speaketh it, and She who maketh it so," and Nefertem, as the product of the Speaker and the Doer gives me the impression (currently unsupported by personal experience...I'm just theorizing here) that Nefertem is a Neter who Makes Things Happen. As the union of the powerful, sometimes violent, emotional energies of Sekhmet, and the considered, architectural, solid, foundational, and subtle energies of Ptah, Nefertem has an energetic makeup that has both the impetus to make things happen, and the ability to do so. Passion tempered with focus, to sum it up. Isn't that a great combination of qualities to have in any leader?
My suggestion--take Andy's advice and start performing the Daily Rite. See what Nefertem has to say to you. It's been my experience with the Netjeru that when they nudge, they also look for you to nudge back. Sometimes, that means just listening, and being open to what the Netjer want you to notice.
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senebty,
Jen Sokoloski, Wab Priest of Ptah
Per AnkhThe Traditional Religion of Ancient Egypt
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WabAndy
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I have come to think of Sekhmet and Ptah as "He who speaketh it, and She who maketh it so,"
could you elaborate on this? I think I get it - but not quite at a conchus level...
Andy
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Andy Dolph, Wab Priest Aset-Hethert
Per Ankh The Traditional Reigion of Ancient Egypt
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WabJenSoko
Wab Priest / KOL Newsletter Editor / Central Regio
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I have come to think of Sekhmet and Ptah as "He who speaketh it, and She who maketh it so,"
could you elaborate on this? I think I get it - but not quite at a conchus level...
Andy
Okay, I'll try. Bearing in mind that I, myself, get it more in the gut than in the head.
Ptah, in the Memphite theology, is the architect of the universe. It is His plans that built the foundation that the rest of the universe hangs on, and through his words, that which he speaks, things come into being.
Sekhmet, as the Eye of Ra, is the force that carries out the will of the Sun God. She makes things happen.
When I think of Ptah and Sekhmet together, their energies, I see a well-oiled team working together. Ptah, the architect, speaks it...verbalizes the concept from the Nun of potentiality and distills it into possibility. Sekhmet's energy then picks it up (like the Union guy in the hardhat) and puts the bricks together to bring it further into reality.
Make any more sense?
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senebty,
Jen Sokoloski, Wab Priest of Ptah
Per AnkhThe Traditional Religion of Ancient Egypt
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Llyne_Merytamon
Priest Candidate / Pacific Northwest Regional Coordinator
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Em hotep, all *bow*
Rev. Renee said:
A bit later at Memphis Nefertum is said to be the child of Sekhmet and Ptah
It would be really interesting to reflect on what sort of Child a union of Ptah and Sekhmet would bring about:)
This is how I relate to Nefertem.
Now, I do the wierd mystic thing, and none of this is in any way Per Ankh canon, be warned. But I'll share.
I experience Nefertem as having the calm, focused, generally happy nature of a craftsperson doing what they love to do and do best (which I see as a legacy from Ptah).
I also experience Him as being very involved in healing (one of Sekhmet's big activities).
He's very cheerful and friendly, though not really outgoing as a lot of the Netjeru are. He is very affectionate towards me in a big-brotherly way (I am Sekhmet's, so it makes sense).
I also feel a high degree of affection for Him, though I don't encounter Him as much as the primary Netjeru I'm currently working with; He and I don't have "work" per se to accomplish right now.
But He grumbles when I forget to come see Him every so often - especially if I happen to need some energy work LOL. I can be oblivious to these things.
So, there's my heretical 2 cents. 
-- Llyne Merytamon.
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You can surrender
Without a prayer
But never really pray
Pray without surrender -- Rush
Llyne Burton, Priest Candidate
Per Ankh: The Traditional Religion of Ancient Egypt
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Llyne_Merytamon
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Em hotep! *bow*
Wab Jen said:
When I think of Ptah and Sekhmet together, their energies, I see a well-oiled team working together. Ptah, the architect, speaks it...verbalizes the concept from the Nun of potentiality and distills it into possibility. Sekhmet's energy then picks it up (like the Union guy in the hardhat) and puts the bricks together to bring it further into reality.
When I think of Them together, I remember the (I don't have an attribution) story of the Pharoah who was at war and prayed to *Ptah* to defeat his enemies.
So Ptah sent a herd of mice over the enemy lines that night, and they nibbled through all the bowstrings. Pharaoh won!
I imagine Sekhmet saying "Oh, another battle," getting all geared up and heading out, then discovering there wasn't anything for Her to do! Because of MICE?!? From WHO?
I get a lot of amusement from imagining the conversation that might have gone on when She got home that night. . . it must have worked out ok, since They seem like a pretty solid couple. 
-- Llyne Merytamon.
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You can surrender
Without a prayer
But never really pray
Pray without surrender -- Rush
Llyne Burton, Priest Candidate
Per Ankh: The Traditional Religion of Ancient Egypt
http://www.per-ankh.org
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