Elleynia
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I'm told this is probably the best place to post this.
I wonder if anyone else on here has or does work with Nefertem, or even has information about him.
Thanks
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RevRenee
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Em hotep Ellenynia
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What specifically do you want to know about "the lotus blossom before the nose of Ra" ?
*grin* I love that image. It is from the Pyramid texts refering to Nefertem (PT 266)
He is one of those strongly tied to Ra Heru and Kingship.
Earlier on he is understood as the emergence of Ra from the lotus which emerged from the primeval waters at creation
A bit later at Memphis Nefertum is said to be the child of Sekhmet and Ptah
It would be really interesting to reflect on what sort of Child a union of Ptah and Sekhmet would bring about:)
and how it might connect to earlier representations
I gotta go but I know a certain child of Sekhmet and Wab Priest of Ptah who will probably want to jump in here:)
More soon
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Elleynia
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Hi RevRenee
What would I like to know? erm, everything! I'm specifically interested in him as "god of perfume" although I think that aromatics is a better term, and in his links with the rising sun. The blue lotus thing I find fascinating.
I've read that he was occasionally depicted as being the son of Bast as well, just to complicate matters further.
I'm curious about other people's eperiences of him. I'm trying to find out why he's nudging me and what I'm supposed to do. I'm hoping that by talking to others I may get a clue 
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can you discribe any of your experinces with hom? and what that nudging feels like?
also - you may want to try the Per Ankh daily rite -
http://www.kemetonline.com/dailyrite.html
which I've found to be a very powerfull tool in developing my relationship with Netjer.
Take care!
Andy
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Em Hotep Nia!
*bows*
I know that you've mentioned having done a web search on Nefertem - I just thought I'd post a little info for those who wanted a little overview of Him.
As a Bast kid, I did a little research about Him early on in my searchings, but haven't formed a connection with Him as of yet. But now that He's come up, maybe I'll try to forge a relationship with Him when the first waterlilies appear at the cottage this spring Thanx for bringing Him to mind again.
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Hotep Nia *bow*
I haven't done any work or had any specific experiences with Nefertem. However, I'm a Sekhmet kid and I serve Ptah, and in the Memphite theology, he is their son.
I have come to think of Sekhmet and Ptah as "He who speaketh it, and She who maketh it so," and Nefertem, as the product of the Speaker and the Doer gives me the impression (currently unsupported by personal experience...I'm just theorizing here) that Nefertem is a Neter who Makes Things Happen. As the union of the powerful, sometimes violent, emotional energies of Sekhmet, and the considered, architectural, solid, foundational, and subtle energies of Ptah, Nefertem has an energetic makeup that has both the impetus to make things happen, and the ability to do so. Passion tempered with focus, to sum it up. Isn't that a great combination of qualities to have in any leader?
My suggestion--take Andy's advice and start performing the Daily Rite. See what Nefertem has to say to you. It's been my experience with the Netjeru that when they nudge, they also look for you to nudge back. Sometimes, that means just listening, and being open to what the Netjer want you to notice.
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I have come to think of Sekhmet and Ptah as "He who speaketh it, and She who maketh it so,"
could you elaborate on this? I think I get it - but not quite at a conchus level...
Andy
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I have come to think of Sekhmet and Ptah as "He who speaketh it, and She who maketh it so,"
could you elaborate on this? I think I get it - but not quite at a conchus level...
Andy
Okay, I'll try. Bearing in mind that I, myself, get it more in the gut than in the head.
Ptah, in the Memphite theology, is the architect of the universe. It is His plans that built the foundation that the rest of the universe hangs on, and through his words, that which he speaks, things come into being.
Sekhmet, as the Eye of Ra, is the force that carries out the will of the Sun God. She makes things happen.
When I think of Ptah and Sekhmet together, their energies, I see a well-oiled team working together. Ptah, the architect, speaks it...verbalizes the concept from the Nun of potentiality and distills it into possibility. Sekhmet's energy then picks it up (like the Union guy in the hardhat) and puts the bricks together to bring it further into reality.
Make any more sense?
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Em hotep, all *bow*
Rev. Renee said:
A bit later at Memphis Nefertum is said to be the child of Sekhmet and Ptah
It would be really interesting to reflect on what sort of Child a union of Ptah and Sekhmet would bring about:)
This is how I relate to Nefertem.
Now, I do the wierd mystic thing, and none of this is in any way Per Ankh canon, be warned. But I'll share.
I experience Nefertem as having the calm, focused, generally happy nature of a craftsperson doing what they love to do and do best (which I see as a legacy from Ptah).
I also experience Him as being very involved in healing (one of Sekhmet's big activities).
He's very cheerful and friendly, though not really outgoing as a lot of the Netjeru are. He is very affectionate towards me in a big-brotherly way (I am Sekhmet's, so it makes sense).
I also feel a high degree of affection for Him, though I don't encounter Him as much as the primary Netjeru I'm currently working with; He and I don't have "work" per se to accomplish right now.
But He grumbles when I forget to come see Him every so often - especially if I happen to need some energy work LOL. I can be oblivious to these things.
So, there's my heretical 2 cents. 
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Em hotep! *bow*
Wab Jen said:
When I think of Ptah and Sekhmet together, their energies, I see a well-oiled team working together. Ptah, the architect, speaks it...verbalizes the concept from the Nun of potentiality and distills it into possibility. Sekhmet's energy then picks it up (like the Union guy in the hardhat) and puts the bricks together to bring it further into reality.
When I think of Them together, I remember the (I don't have an attribution) story of the Pharoah who was at war and prayed to *Ptah* to defeat his enemies.
So Ptah sent a herd of mice over the enemy lines that night, and they nibbled through all the bowstrings. Pharaoh won!
I imagine Sekhmet saying "Oh, another battle," getting all geared up and heading out, then discovering there wasn't anything for Her to do! Because of MICE?!? From WHO?
I get a lot of amusement from imagining the conversation that might have gone on when She got home that night. . . it must have worked out ok, since They seem like a pretty solid couple. 
-- Llyne Merytamon.
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WabAndy
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Wab Jen -
yes that helps - thanks!
Andy
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Lilairen
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You want heretical two cents? He's always reminded /me/ of Ferdinand the Bull (but I've never been sure if that's just me being random or something genuine; I haven't encountered Him closely).
(Anyone else remember that story?)
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Elleynia
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Hi all
Thanks for your insights.
My experiences of him are a little vague. I suppose the best way to describe it is to say that he keeps popping into my mind. He never speaks but simply looks at me. He's usually sitting and I get a sense of great serenity and spiritual purity, wisdom. There's also a fragrance, both floral and smokey. I have no idea what he wants! Of course I've tried asking him and I just get a peaceful smile.
I *know* who he is and I think he's very much god of aromatics and yes, a healer.
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I have no idea what he wants!
Do you feel like he wants something in particular? Perhaps he wants you to know him.
I might sugest that you try doing some sort of expression of your experience - whatever that might be for you - draw, paint, write prose or poetry, make music, blend sents, just anything to go further in to the experience and explore it - and see where that takes you.
I would also sugest that you might offer him what ever it is your make in your practice of the Rite.
Let us know what happens.
Andy
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Hi all
Thanks for your insights.
My experiences of him are a little vague. I suppose the best way to describe it is to say that he keeps popping into my mind. He never speaks but simply looks at me. He's usually sitting and I get a sense of great serenity and spiritual purity, wisdom. There's also a fragrance, both floral and smokey. I have no idea what he wants! Of course I've tried asking him and I just get a peaceful smile.
I *know* who he is and I think he's very much god of aromatics and yes, a healer.
Hotep *bow*
So...go sit with him and see what happens!
Something I've noticed with the Neteru of Kemet that is significantly different from my experiences as a general pagan or a Wiccan is that the Neteru are more apt to simply want to *be* with us, or maybe the phrase I'm looking for is "bring us into Their presence" than other deities. In my ten or so years as a pagan, it was very rare to experience, or hear of the experiences of others of being prompted by a god to simply exist in their presence in some small way.
Once I started adopting Kemetic practices, I noticed that the Netjeru were not shy about requesting my presence for small things--if you search the boards, I'm sure you can find the time when I posted that I'd been about to sit down to a lunch of leftover steak I'd grilled the previous night, and I received the very strong message that Anpu wanted some of that action. Even though I'd completed my daily rite and made offerings to the Netjeru already that day, it never occurred to me to feel weird about climbing back into my whites, reopening my shrine, and doing the rite again so I could offer Anpu some food. The earth didn't suddenly turn backwards on its axis, I didn't win the lottery, but my house didn't burn down, either. I wasn't called to defeat a great evil or become the hand of karma on anyone, and nothing else special happened that day, or even that week. But I got to spend a little q-time with a wonderful, loving Netjer, and shared a meal with someone I wouldn't have normally considered.
What changed inside me from that experience was a warm feeling of well-being. I'd spent a little more time in the presence of a being who loved me. So the world, I guess, did get a little rosier. 
My long-winded point is that sometimes, the Netjeru come to us just simply to be with us. And how hard is that to accept for most of us? We are a bunch of cool people--why wouldn't They want to just hang with us?
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senebty,
Jen Sokoloski, Wab Priest of Ptah
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Elleynia
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Hi WabJenSoko
'So...go sit with him and see what happens!'
So I did. I found myself sitting next to him on a park bench (did they have those in AE??)looking out at all this very lush greenery, with a strong smell of jasmine in the air. Only, I found I couldn't just sit, so I got up and paced around and he sat there looking at me. So I sat back down and then I found myself plucking at his robe (!!). Finally he spoke to me and said, "You need to learn to sit down". I complained about this as I'm all too good at sitting down, or so I thought. So he told me, "You need to learn how to just be at one with things, switch you mind off. This is why you can't meditate or listen to music, it's why you smoke and why you sometimes drink too much."
This is rather close to the knuckle but I can't argue with it.
I offered him the idea of an incense I had in mind to make for him. This seemed to please him but of course he then said, "Now make it for me". This is all well and good but I'll have to import the key ingredient, which isn't cheap, and I'm none to sure if it'll get past customs.
So, an answer of sorts.
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Finally he spoke to me and said, "You need to learn to sit down". I complained about this as I'm all too good at sitting down, or so I thought. So he told me, "You need to learn how to just be at one with things, switch you mind off. This is why you can't meditate or listen to music, it's why you smoke and why you sometimes drink too much."
quite an experince - that's wonderfull.
you may want to ask Him to help you learn to sit and be at one with things as he discribed. I suspect taht He would help, and that may be why He has brought you to Him.
Snebty,
Andy
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Hello Elleynia
Maihes is considered the offspring of Bast, Tem (Atum) or Ra. Other potential parents are Sekhmet and Ptah. Nefertem and Maihes are linked to each other both being lion headed deities connected to perfumes and oils. I think the Egyptians confused the two deities for each other what do you think?
Here are my sources check them out one essay is written by my friend Kefi.
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Em hotep all
<bow>
When I read this quote I had to smile. Think for a moment about the sense of smell. In Ancient Egypt and many societies smell is primary in religious experience. This may be an odd thought for those raised in our modern world..where we are far more conscious of what we "see" and "hear" than we are of what we "smell"
Yet scents bypass the brain's reasoning and rationalizing capabilities. The effect of scent stimulus is immediate and gets to our unconscious very very fast.
It is a wonderful remedy for a hyperactive mind:)
And Nefertum is that young, newness of creation...before much has happened about which we could get ourselves all worried and concerned.
Thinking about Him..His words to you ...make great sense.
And Andy's advice to spend more time with Him sounds just perfect:)
How wonderful that Netjer has reached out to you in this way !
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Finally he spoke to me and said, "You need to learn to sit down". I complained about this as I'm all too good at sitting down, or so I thought. So he told me, "You need to learn how to just be at one with things, switch you mind off. This is why you can't meditate or listen to music, it's why you smoke and why you sometimes drink too much."
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Hotep there
:bow: Good to see you.
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Maihes is considered the offspring of Bast, Tem (Atum) or Ra. Other potential parents are Sekhmet and Ptah. Nefertem and Maihes are linked to each other both being lion headed deities connected to perfumes and oils. I think the Egyptians confused the two deities for each other what do you think?
Mashes and Nefertum do share some connection with perfumes, can manifest with Lion head and in some contexts each was said to have various Lion Headed Mothers:)
Also the close association of Nefertum with Heru and even Ra is also a shared feature.
Infact, At times Mashes is shown with the headress of Nefertum's lotus flowers.
However, this does not at all imply that the Egyptians "confused" the two young deities
In fact Mashes was the sort of expression of youthful energy of dark windy storm. He is the warrior fighting to destroy Apep with the knife He holds in His hand..and restore the order of the right after creation.. the time in which Nefertum dwells.
So Yes there are deep connections between the two. Buit they are not identical..Very different energies .
For instance Mashes would NOT be the most helpful with the issue which Nefertum is working to help our sister here:)
Blessings
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Em hotep! *bow*
Ferdinand!!!! I'm not familiar enough with Nefertem to get the comparison, but that's a really fun reference! I look forward to learning more about Him so I can understand the comparison better. 
Senebty!
Wab Sandie
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WabJenSoko
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This is rather close to the knuckle but I can't argue with it.
The Netjeru are like that. Especially the feline ones. Sekhmet pulls no punches, either.
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senebty,
Jen Sokoloski, Wab Priest of Ptah
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Elleynia
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This is rather close to the knuckle but I can't argue with it.
The Netjeru are like that. Especially the feline ones. Sekhmet pulls no punches, either.
I think he objected to the robe plucking 
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Elleynia
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Hi RevRenee
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When I read this quote I had to smile. Think for a moment about the sense of smell. In Ancient Egypt and many societies smell is primary in religious experience. This may be an odd thought for those raised in our modern world..where we are far more conscious of what we "see" and "hear" than we are of what we smell
Yet scents bypass the brain's reasoning and rationalizing capabilities. The effect of scent stimulus is immediate and gets to our unconscious very very fast.
Oow, now that's got me thinking. Sounds weird but I've always been quite smell-oriented. I dislike strong synthetic perfumes, for example. My garden, which is supposed to be medicinal herbs has always been on the side of the aromatic herbs. I suppose it was this that initally drew me to Nefertem.
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It is a wonderful remedy for a hyperactive mind:)
When you put it that way....
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Thinking about Him..His words to you ...make great sense.
And Andy's advice to spend more time with Him sounds just perfect:)
How wonderful that Netjer has reached out to you in this way !"
I feel rather daunted - in a nice kind of way.
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Elleynia
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Sadly, moving this thread seems to have killed the conversation 
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RevRenee
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Hotep:)
<bow>
Nah...discussions come and go..and come back again.
What else about Nefertem or your recent experience would you like us to discuss?
Best
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Elleynia
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I wonder if it's a common experience when speaking with Netjer (did I get that right?) to find that one is a child? I've never had this experience when speaking with non-Kemetic deities.
Has there been much discussion of the use of ritual perfume and cosmetics anywhere on here, if so, please point me in the right direction.
The blue lotus is something I'm very unlikely to be able to grow here (sadly) has anyone grown one? Does anyone have any knowledge of the blue lotus to add to the general blurb one can find on internet?
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This is rather close to the knuckle but I can't argue with it.
The Netjeru are like that. Especially the feline ones. Sekhmet pulls no punches, either.
That has been my experience too. On the other hand, it's also been my experience that sometimes Netjer is just too cryptic or teasingly just-out-of-conscious-understanding in Its presentation. Sometimes I get a little frustrated with that.
Folks here have had a lot of really good suggestions, based on our own experiences of Netjer. As Wab Jen said, sometimes Netjer just wants us in Its presence; and while that can feel daunting, it can also feel very comforting. Sometimes, having helped us feel safe in Its presence, Netjer swats us with something "too close to the knuckle," but then we can hear it because we're not on the alert for the swat. This is what is lovingly known in Per Ankh as the "clue by four." All of us have tales about getting swatted with it.
Andy suggested just sitting in Nefertem's presence. And Nefertem's fragrance helped bypass the cerebral conscious mind and wafted in a felt sense of His being. Smell is amazingly powerful.
Wab Jen--I really like your description of He who speaketh and She who maketh it happen. And Llyne I love your image of Sekhmet getting all geared up (in my mind's eye I see Xena's leather and bosses, etc.) only to find that Ptah's mice have taken care of the problem already. hehehe
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Elleynia
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I hope no-one minds if I expand a little on some of the effect that Nefertem's presence in my life is having. I suppose to some extent this might be what has been describe in another thread as "being on path".
I am, I suppose, quite excited by it and also a little worried.
Without going into too much boring detail, Nefertem was first presented to me a couple of years ago. I began to research and talk to him but then I lost my job and the next several months were difficult times. I stopped working with any deity or any kind of spiritual practice.
Over the last few weeks, Nefertem has, as I've posted, been presenting himself to me. His presence in my life has made a very, very marked change.
I have always been extremely untidy, yet now I've completely reorganised everything, everything has a place, I vacuum, I dust, I even do the washing up! I didn't care a great deal about my personal appearance (don't get me wrong, I was clean) I didn't bother with ironing, make up or doing much with my hair apart from scragging it back. I also easily took offence and would spend a lot of my time dealing with intense anger over nothing. Now, whilst the last is still around a little, I find it much easier to let things go, to stop my mind going over and over.
I'm going to bed earlier and waking up earlier - I'm even getting into work early.
I'd even go so far as to say I have genuine moments of serenity.
Is this sort of marked transformation a common experience?
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Em Hotep Nia!
*bows*
Looking back, Bast had the same effect on me... hmmm... and I'm still not perfect at housecleaning, but Bast introduced me to ma'at (and emphasised more Virgoan traits than I'd like sometimes ), so I can see the connection there. I find the more ordered my environment is (to a degree), the more in line with ma'at I feel (and that works in the opposite). And Bast likes things to smell clean and fresh I find... a very sensitive nose She has. Perhaps Nefertem is the same way?
Just my 2 cents
Ankh Udja Seneb
michelle
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Em Hotep, Rev Renee!
*bow*
Nice to see you too!
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