WabAndy
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Em Hotep!
*bow*
I am pleased to announce that we have the first of what we plan will be many audio programs from Per Ankh.
This is a talk by Rev Sedgwick on what it means to be a priest and what it means to be called to priesthood - both in general and in Per Ankh in particular. At the end of the talk, is a short segment of me interviewing her about priesthood.
The program is a 15mb MP3 file which you can find here:
http://www.learncommunity.org/calltopriest.mp3
If the 15 mb file is a problem to download, I've broken the same recording into 3 files:
http://www.learncommunity.org/calltopriest01.mp3
http://www.learncommunity.org/calltopriest02.mp3
http://www.learncommunity.org/calltopriest03.mp3
Please do not distribute any of these files, but feel free to point other people to this message.
Once you've listened to the program, please post here with your questions and responses.
Enjoy!!
Senebty
Andy
-------------------- Andy Dolph, Wab Priest Aset-Hethert
Per Ankh The Traditional Reigion of Ancient Egypt
Edited by Andy (03/23/04 03:20 AM)
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Lilairen
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*bow*
404 error . . .
-------------------- Daughter of Het-Herw and Khnum, Beloved of Set and Wepwawet
Chatting with: Anpw, Djehuty, Bast, Nebet-Het, and Sekhmet
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KheperaAkasha
shemsu
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Em Hotep Andy *bows*
404 for me as well
Ankh Udja Seneb michelle
-------------------- "We must be the change we wish to see in the world."
- Gandhi
"Pain and foolishness lead to great bliss and complete knowledge, for Eternal Wisdom created nothing under the sun in vain."
-Kahlil Gibran, "The Voice of the Poet"
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WabAndy
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serves me right for not testing my own post! 
it's fixed now in the original post.
Thank you for pointing out the error in my links! 
Andy
-------------------- Andy Dolph, Wab Priest Aset-Hethert
Per Ankh The Traditional Reigion of Ancient Egypt
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crimson
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hotep all this is a wonderful idea!!! how nice it was to hear Rev Sedgewick in person! and it was a wonderful topic! thanks for sharing it with us! senebty crimson
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RevRenee
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Hotep Friends <bow>
Any comments on the content? ***grin**
I suspect our understanding of the call to Priesthood may be a little different from what some of you may have expected..... Was it? How so?
Best
-------------------- Rev Renee Levant, Hemet Sekhmet & Aset
Founder & Wehemu & Educational Director
Per Ankh: The Traditional Religion of Ancient Egypt
http://www.per-ankh.org
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RevSedgwick
Heri Tep Hem Netjer
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Em hotep! <bow>
Thanks very much, Andy, not only for recording that little talk, but also editing it and uploading it and making it available here.
Friends, healwlove Andy came to Per Ankh headquarters during the week between Christmas and New Year and spent days videotaping and audiorecording Rev Renee and me. First he spent hours and hours positioning the back drop and the lights and the microphones and running cables all over the place; then he spent hours setting up his computer to record and copy all the files; then he listened for hours and hours to us discourse on NLP and priesthood and how to do philosophy and how to get a good grade in the introduction to world religions class I teach; and in between all that he ate some great meals and drove himself all over Racine to spare us the driving. We are really fortunate to have someone with these skills who is willing to put them to use for Per Ankh.
Rev Sedgwick
-------------------- Rev Sedgwick Heskett, Hemet NebetHet-Nit and Amun
Heri Tep Hem Netjer Per Ankh
Per Ankh: The Traditional Religion of Ancient Egypt
http://www.per-ankh.org
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WabAndy
Wab Priest
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I have to say that I had an abslutley terific time - and would encourage anyone who is even a little interested to come to one of the Per Ankh retreats or to make arangements for a private retreat with the priests.
Andy
-------------------- Andy Dolph, Wab Priest Aset-Hethert
Per Ankh The Traditional Reigion of Ancient Egypt
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ShaRenKa_Acre
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Em hotep Rev Sedgwick... I know I am very new, just today infact...but have read so much... after long and hard praying to Isis..asking where do you want me? What is it you ask of me?? And after hearing "The call to Priesthood"...I now know and feel this is where I need to be... After searching all my life, in and out of too many to list here.. I now feel this is where I belong. I have had the calling since a very young age..trying to find where I fit all my life, alls I knew was that it had to do with Netjer...and I'm sort of sorry to say that now being 49...I finaly found where I should be. Wishing I had found this many years earlier. Thank you all for being here....My heart is so full and at peace now.... Em Hoptep Enshala... ShaRenKa
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RevRenee
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Em hotep Sharenka:)
<bow>
A call (and we ALL have SOME calling though it need not be to Priesthood) is a wonderful and precious gift
Enjoy it..nurture it..go with that call. Be open that it may be here..or not. But in either case NO ONE can take your call from you.
If you believe your call may be to Priesthood in Per Ankh I would especially encourage you to listen to Rev Sedgwick's recording (It is GENERAL about Priesthood not just Priesthood in the Kemetic Traditional religion.
Very Best We look forward to getting to know you
-------------------- Rev Renee Levant, Hemet Sekhmet & Aset
Founder & Wehemu & Educational Director
Per Ankh: The Traditional Religion of Ancient Egypt
http://www.per-ankh.org
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WabAndy
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Loc: New Hampshire
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Quote:
I would especially encourage you to listen to Rev Sedgwick's recording
And we'd also love to hear what you think of the recording and your response to it.
Andy
-------------------- Andy Dolph, Wab Priest Aset-Hethert
Per Ankh The Traditional Reigion of Ancient Egypt
Edited by RevRenee (03/17/04 03:13 PM)
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Genie
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More ! More ! More ! Was great to hear rev sedgwick's voice and the talk is fantastic too.
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RevRenee
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Hotep Gene! <bow>
We love sensless praise so keep it coming 
Seriously though ..is there any particular part of what was said that was "fantastic"
I would love to see us talk about the talks..-Plus ity encourages us to do more ;-)
Best
-------------------- Rev Renee Levant, Hemet Sekhmet & Aset
Founder & Wehemu & Educational Director
Per Ankh: The Traditional Religion of Ancient Egypt
http://www.per-ankh.org
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WabAndy
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I'll second what Rev Renee said (as the person who does the recording and editing...) it's very hepfull for us to hear your responce to the talk - both content and format.
Senebty
Andy
-------------------- Andy Dolph, Wab Priest Aset-Hethert
Per Ankh The Traditional Reigion of Ancient Egypt
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Isian
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Hey Andy Would you mind at all breaking the talk up into three parts? (I think you mentioned doing it before). Sorry! We've got a bad connection here and we can't seem to download it all in one 
Thank you!
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WabAndy
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no problem - I'll post links when its done
Andy
-------------------- Andy Dolph, Wab Priest Aset-Hethert
Per Ankh The Traditional Reigion of Ancient Egypt
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RevSedgwick
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Em hotep, ShaRenKa ! <bow>
Thanks for listening to the audio Andy uploaded for us. I've been a priest for a great many years, and I have a LOT more to say about it, but there is a limit to what anyone can listen to in one sitting. And don't you think Andy's questions at the end are good ones? I was really impressed with how his questions wrapped it all up so well.
With respect to your own sense of call: Age has nothing to do with it. Whatever we do in our religious lives, no matter how odd it may appear, contributes to who we are. As I said in my posted Introduction, all the various twists and turns I've experienced in my religious life have, in fact, led in a completely straight line from where I started to where I am now. I believe that to be a fact of religious life for people who reflect on, kind of metabolise, our experiences.
I am older than 49. Priest Candidate Caithlyn is close to your age--but younger, of course. Maturity can be very helpful, as can youth. The determining factors seem to me to be teachability, persistence, willingness to work hard, understanding that priesthood is about Netjer and the Temple and not about ourselves, and faith.
As Rev Renee says, nurture your thinking in your prayer for a while. Post on the Prayer and Heka thread, if you want, asking for prayers around your sense of calling. And don't ever forget that there are many calls in the religious life, of which only one is the call to priesthood. And that is no "better" or more valuable than any other.
Senebty!
Rev Sedgwick
-------------------- Rev Sedgwick Heskett, Hemet NebetHet-Nit and Amun
Heri Tep Hem Netjer Per Ankh
Per Ankh: The Traditional Religion of Ancient Egypt
http://www.per-ankh.org
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WabAndy
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I've broken the recording into 3 files of about 5 mb each - the links to them are now in the first message of this thread.
Take care,
Andy
-------------------- Andy Dolph, Wab Priest Aset-Hethert
Per Ankh The Traditional Reigion of Ancient Egypt
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ShaRenKa_Acre
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Em Hotep Rev Sedgwick... *BOW* Took me a while to find this reply, my apologies for the delay here. (Not use to msg Boards yet;) But as far as the determining factors...I have held them since around 16 where Kemet is concerned. A long life drive to study as well as practice and experience. Though I am not a College Professor, I have on 2 occasions had the honor of teaching, 2 groups, one back about 9 yrs ago...12-14 yr olds (with parents permission) Paganism. Then just ending one year ago...a group of adult women Paganism (Wicca). Unfortunately I was the only one who was Egyptian based...so I did not really get the chance to bring alot of Kemet into discussion, but jumped the chance when I could;) Practising Wicca for many many years left me hollow and empty, like something was amiss, only then did I drop Wicca for Ancient Egyptian practices and belief. Now feeling I'm at a point where I wish to further this, considering Priesthood. Hard to convey a lifetime of feelings and knowings here...I know I have been there a few times before, (reincarnation), and after stepping out of it for a while...now realize it's where I should be...need to be. To not only serve Netjer in this way...but also to be there for the People...people who have questions...uncertainties....or those who wish to become followers of Nejer, Or just to be a support for those who already are. I just have 2 walls to knock down before I ask for Priesthood in Per Ankh...and hopefully as I am working on them this very day/min won't be here for much longer. One being my health, secondly money. I can do the money end myself... the health end of it a bit tougher, but with Netjers help and all the wonderful support from the people here...I'm sure that will come as well. Untill then I will study, pray and serve for now Nejer the best way I can. Enshala ShaRenKa
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ShaRenKa_Acre
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Em Hotep Rev Renee! *Bow* I thank you for your words of wisom;) I have never felt so right before...or so welcomed as I have been here. The call to Priesthood will not go unanswered, it's just a slight matter of time. And I loved hearing Rev Sedgwicks words! They so struck home with me.... again my Thanks... Enshala ShaRenKa
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RevSedgwick
Heri Tep Hem Netjer
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Em hotep! <bow>
Quote:
Untill then I will study, pray and serve for now Nejer the best way I can.
ShaRenKa's statement here strikes me as encapsulating what all of us who want to serve Netjer do, no matter what our role. We study, pray, and serve. And, since Per Ankh is a community, we help one another and ask for help (which is often harder, eh?).
When these actions are our foundation, whatever role becomes ours in the end is strongly based. There is never a time when we give up the basics.
Best,
Rev Sedgwick
-------------------- Rev Sedgwick Heskett, Hemet NebetHet-Nit and Amun
Heri Tep Hem Netjer Per Ankh
Per Ankh: The Traditional Religion of Ancient Egypt
http://www.per-ankh.org
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Isian
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Posts: 481
Loc: NSW, Australia
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Em Hotep ~bow~
After several months and a new computer later, I've finally been able to listen to Rev Sedgwick's Lecture. Though the use of the word 'lecture' implies to me a certain dryness that I found this talk completely devoid of 
I was most greatly suprised (and delighted) to hear that Per Ankh encourages any who believe they are called to the Priesthood with the understanding that some may not even finish their training - that in itself grants a beautiful freedom for the individual to continually check that they are on the path Netjer would have them It's also remarkably wise (though that's not so terribly suprising).
I loved the 'simplicity' in explanation that Rev Sedgwick used, the very grounded look into the calling and the continual re-inforcement that there is no 'lessening' of a person for a lack of call to this particular path, without draining the sacredness of the Priestly role. I agree with Rev Sedgwick that Andy's questions added a very personal touch to the talk (Go Andy!)
It is often very difficult for some people to think of the calling to Priesthood without going through some sort of self-flaggeration - 'Im not good enough', 'Im not wise enough', 'Im not perfect'. It was wonderful to hear that perfection is not a pre-requisite for the Calling, nor is it expected from the Netjer. The desire to do Netjer's will, the desire to Serve in this particular way is the rich soil . In this way, I felt a deeper respect for the Priest's knowing that they are doing much the same I am ('the best I can') within a different role.
That wasn't a very unbias critique, was it Oh well.. thanks again, Rev Sedgwick and Andy!!!
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RevSedgwick
Heri Tep Hem Netjer
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Em hotep, Jen! <bow>
Thanks very much for the kind words. Wab Jen and newly-Wabbed Andy were here last week, and Wab Andy set up the equipment and taught Rev Renee how to use it so that we can make some more recordings.
With respect to your points here: if perfection were required for priesthood, I know that there would be no priests in Per Ankh and probably no priests in the history of humankind in any tradition anywhere. Aiming for perfection is a bad idea; it's a way of putting ourselves on a pedestal and inviting people to knock us off--which they don't have to do because we'll fall off all by ourselves sooner or later (probably sooner). I think in this regard about some well-known American religious leaders who keep getting caught violating the rules of morality they preach to their congregations--and of course they do, because maintaining that standard all the time forever is impossible. Also unnatural and, in our view, unKemetic.
Also, you point to the notion that no one is "enhanced" by priesthood or "diminished" by following a different path. What "enhances" us--to the extent we would use such a word--is doing what is most in line with our skills, interests, talents, and call; we are diminished when we try to take on a role that doesn't suit us or allow us to develop most fully as we really are. Therefore, being a Grand High Poobah of a faith, when what you really want to do is some other service, is a loss to yourself and your community.
We believe in abundance and living a good life, and that means enjoying our lives and making the contribution to the community that most fulfills us and our call from Netjer.
Thanks for taking the time to listen to this tape.
Rev Sedgwick
-------------------- Rev Sedgwick Heskett, Hemet NebetHet-Nit and Amun
Heri Tep Hem Netjer Per Ankh
Per Ankh: The Traditional Religion of Ancient Egypt
http://www.per-ankh.org
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Myw
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Em hotep everyone,
First of all, thanks to Rev Sedgwick for taking the time to talk about priesthood in such depth, and to Wab Andy for making it possible.
I enjoyed this recording immensely, and actually made some notes whilst listening to it. Speaking in terms of style, Rev Sedgwick is very erudite and a very good speaker. The speech, even though pretty long (as I later realized looking at the time), was very easy to follow and was not boring in the least (most "lectures" tend to be). I'd like to share my views on some of the "highlights" of the speech for me:
- The concept of training itself as Rev Sedgwick explains and the fact that it never ends; I think this is a very important point, often overlooked in the modern pagan community(ies). 'Pagan' is a grossly generalized term of course, but as we know it's still a common usage and we all know of high priestesses who have read about something only a few days ago but are religious authorities the next day.
- Correct me if I'm wrong on this one but I think the term was "loving firmness". When an education (of any kind) is too liberal and lack, most people can't carry on with it and need some sort of guidance and at certain times a gentle push. It's also important that we're not always okayed in everything in order for us to actually learn something and change our worldview and grow.
- The fact that Per-Ankh is okay with people who start on the path to priesthood but don't get to finish is I think a very encouraging stance for most people. It's true that sometimes what we think is the only way for us is not so after a certain time; however we can't always think ahead. Also, there is nothing wrong with starting something and not finishing it because every bit of experience is good experience and valuable in some aspect of our lives. I'm sure the people who do start the priesthood training program but do not get to finish still leave with very valuable lessons and experiences they will carry with themselves for the rest of their lives. With Per-Ankh's standpoint, it's also easier for people to not to feel held back and go ahead with it if they feel like that's their calling (at the time) instead of worrying too much thinking if they're right on their decision or not. This is, of course, not to mean that it should be taken lightly, but at least it's not a "you're either with it or you're not" situation.
Wab Andy's questions were also very well thought of and Rev Sedgwick's answers to them even more revealing of what Per-Ankh is about. I must say that I got even more enthusiastic and excited about being an -albeit new- member of this community. The stresses made on the fact that being a priest is not in any way special or 'better'; that it is not a question of being 'closer' to the Netjer and that it is not something exclusive to the priesthood; that priesthood is above all about serving the Netjer *and* the community (which is very important and pretty much sets Kemeticism -at least traditional Kemeticism- apart from most other traditions) were some other highlights of the speech for me. I also agree very much that Per-Ankh's strenght comes from its scholarly approach and *also* from the really positive community dynamics and the fact that the priesthood is indeed really experienced, both in religious life and in teaching whether the spiritual or the mundane.
And finally, I wholeheartedly agree that the KOL community is a special one; one in which there are individuals who genuinely like and care about each other, something I felt even on the very first day of my time here -and I am a very new member indeed. This is a very welcoming and supportive community with friendly people, be them priests or just members, who have the best possible connection over a cyber medium. I am very happy to be here and am looking forward to take more part in both KOL and Per-Ankh in the future.
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RevSedgwick
Heri Tep Hem Netjer
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Em hotep, Myw! <bow>
Thank you for your comments about the recording on priesthood. Especially thanks to you and Isian for the substantive comments you've made. It strikes me that the quality of "loving firmness" you mention in your post is the hardest to convey (and sometimes to practice) when so many of us are accustomed to either being told what to do or being given no direction at all. The source of this quality, a constant balancing act among a lot of factors, is our roots in the way we serve Netjer here--in Kemetic Traditional Religion. That is, we start with our commitment to living out our call to be here rather than somewhere else, and we make choices from that commitment.
What keeps the "firmness" part going is that commitment to building our community and Temple in this particular way. What keeps the "loving" part alive is, among many other factors, the premises of our faith. We understand that Netjer created an abundant world, one in which there are always other options, and wants us to have good lives. That means to me that there is a non-adversarial relationship between someone training for priesthood and their Sebau. There is often conflict and bumping up against unexamined patterns that are familiar but no longer serve well, and that can be difficult and confusing and sometimes painful. But this conflict is not personal, by which I mean it isn't about someone being a bad person. It is about helping each candidate grow into his or her role in the community, whether it turns out he or she becomes a priest or not. The "loving firmness" you mention, like our relationship with Netjer, is thus an odd combination of individual and universal, or personal and impersonal.
Elsewhere Wab Jen reassured Nebra that Per Ankh would still be here when she got back; and that's right. Per Ankh, as a temple in service of Netjer, is larger than any of us as individuals. At the same time, of course, it is founded on the experience, love, service, commitment, time, energy, money, etc., etc. of many individuals; and without those contributions Per Ankh could not continue. But the individuals themselves are less important than that there are people committed to serving Netjer in this way.
So our approach to the candidates' training is that we love the people who come in, very much. We want them very much to succeed. We are in awe of their gifts and what they bring to the community, and grateful that Netjer sent them here. And if they find for some reason that this is not where they want to be now, we let them go with love. Does that make sense?
On an organizational level, Rev Renee, Wab Jen, Wab Andy, and I have been discussing how to provide more opportunities for people who want to learn more but not necessarily to enter the priest candidacy program. We haven't come up with the solution yet, but we are working on it. Now that Rev Renee and I have finished and submitted our dissertations, we are beginning to emerge from the Nun a little. I mentioned to Wab Jen the other day, I feel like a tulip poking my head up out of the benben. Nekhtet! There really is life after graduate school, Ra really does make his circuit renewing zep tepi every day, and Aset really is getting impatient for Rev Renee and me to get back to our proper work--Per Ankh. hehehehehehe 
Rev Sedgwick
-------------------- Rev Sedgwick Heskett, Hemet NebetHet-Nit and Amun
Heri Tep Hem Netjer Per Ankh
Per Ankh: The Traditional Religion of Ancient Egypt
http://www.per-ankh.org
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RevSedgwick
Heri Tep Hem Netjer
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Em hotep! <bow>
And just to continue on the theme about the dignity proper to your priests and Sebau, picture this: two middle-aged women in white T-shirts and pants dancing wildly to Aretha's "Freeway of Love."
Yup, we're dignified all right. 
Rev Sedgwick
-------------------- Rev Sedgwick Heskett, Hemet NebetHet-Nit and Amun
Heri Tep Hem Netjer Per Ankh
Per Ankh: The Traditional Religion of Ancient Egypt
http://www.per-ankh.org
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RevRenee
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Quote:
Em hotep! <bow>
And just to continue on the theme about the dignity proper to your priests and Sebau, picture this: two middle-aged women in white T-shirts and pants dancing wildly to Aretha's "Freeway of Love."
Yup, we're dignified all right.
Rev Sedgwick
Em hotep Rev Sedgwick,
<bow>
But Reverend-- we also danced to "RESPECT" by Aretha!
(our cats all ran away except the Hethert like one)
-------------------- Rev Renee Levant, Hemet Sekhmet & Aset
Founder & Wehemu & Educational Director
Per Ankh: The Traditional Religion of Ancient Egypt
http://www.per-ankh.org
Edited by RevRenee (12/06/04 09:17 PM)
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