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Isian
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Set's bad name
      #22088 - 03/22/04 08:39 AM

Blessings!

Being from a Christian background, I found it very difficult letting go of the 'Set'=Devil-type persona and most recently letting go of what almost became a 'one word' synopsis of most of the Netjer in general (thusly, Set=Chaos).

I'd be very interested to hear of anyone's personal relationship with Set and how they overcame such simplistic mindset's

Namaste


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Re: Set's bad name new [Re: Isian]
      #22095 - 03/22/04 04:16 PM

Funny you should say something like that...

Our temple has recently come through a period where Set energy had a dominant hand in our existence (is that understatement enough, gang? LOL).

I was Wiccan for nearly a decade before finding Kemeticism, so I had a Wiccan context with which to get rid of the whole Set=devil thing. However, to truly understand how the ancients could build temples to him, to serve him, and to even let some of their kings bear his name (Seti), it took a (few dozen)in-depth and critical readings of the "Contendings of Horus and Set" to begin to see Set as more than just the Token Bad Guy of the drama.

Or you could start smaller just by researching his epithets (ie, the red-haired one, the Lord of Storms, etc). When we study in the classes here at Per Ankh, we usually try to understand the Netjer in question through daily rite, trying to get a sense of who they are, what their energies feel like, where4 in nature do you see/sense similar energies. And why would those energies be necessary in living life.

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Re: Set's bad name new [Re: WabJenSoko]
      #22132 - 03/23/04 05:04 PM

Em hotep! <bow>

This is an interesting question and, as Wab Jen points out, it's one with which we as a Temple community have been engaged for the past several months. Not consciously, perhaps, but still . . .

Wab Jen says,
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And why would those energies be necessary in living life.


Right. One of the many things I deeply appreciate about our Kemetic forebears is the subtlety and nuance with which they observed and then related to the energies that actually flow in the world. Not the ones that people might prefer (like just the happy, constructive ones), or the ones that are easiest to describe (like just the full moon and the new moon), but the full range of what actually is in the world.

And so when I began to interact with Set--an interaction I found surprising because I'm into calmness and order and step-by-stepness usually--I was curious about how right and important and useful Set's energy seemed to me. Not always pleasant, but not capricious either. And not evil, although in the moment it can certainly seem that something malicious is undermining all one's efforts to make progress.

In my short acquaintance with Set I have found Him to be purposeful and productive in His actions--and, yes, to enjoy the destructive parts too.

Best,

Rev Sedgwick

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Re: Set's bad name new [Re: Isian]
      #22139 - 03/23/04 05:51 PM

Em Hotep Isian!
*Bow*
In your q about Set/Devil/ect... This is what I believe, though maybe not shared with all, Set/Devil what ever you wish to call this "negative" creature that has been bestowed upon us, I believe is because first off..."Everything" has an opposite in which to exist. Also? I believe Set/Devil ect is here to remind us of what "Goodness" truly is. Having been in Wicca myself for over 30 some odd years...which I might add they don't believe in such a being. There is no evil...just what "IS". Well anyone who has taken a look around lately can see that such an entity actualy does exist in this world, and it spreads as a virus! But to me...it's a learning experiance, and one not to be feared! I think one should come to "know" Set/Devil what ever name you put upon it...just so you know what your dealing with or could! "He who knows thy evil enemy's heart will stand clearly as the Victor"..... to say it dosn't exist just allows it to spread much like cancer. So yes Set is a part of Netjer...but one we must come to know, and stand seperate from. Enshala ShaRenKa (ps...I don't mean to step on anyones toes here..just stating what I have found to be true is all)


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Re: Set's bad name new [Re: ShaRenKa_Acre]
      #22162 - 03/24/04 04:28 AM

Em hotep folks,

Ah...but if you eliminate Set or Stand separate from Him.
Kemet will fall:)

It is Set who each morning destroys Apep for Ra !

It is He who cuts away what needs to be cut away....so that the new can arise.

My favorite story of an experience in which I first really began to recognize Set's importance. ...

I was hiking and came to an area that looked devastated. I felt so uncomfortable ...my stomach was turning as I looked at twisted tree trunks and branches..and a whole lot of space where the trees were ripped up from their rcover of the forest..and the once dense roof of leaves --Just GONE

GONE..completely...

It turned out a tornado had ravaged the area many yearws earlier. I sat down and noticed...some small green shoots starting to grow under the rays of RA (the sun).

I was so excited. I cried and went home and rqan to tell Rev Sedgwick...who was at the time MUCH more versed in nature than I. She explained that if a forest does NOT have such things as tornados and such that clear away older trees...then some species in the forest die. The storm creates conditions that make life in its diversity to flourish

Life IS the ***process ** which involves moments of necessary destruction ...these are not EVIL..they are necessary to let go of our death grip on keeping things the way they are and resisting change

You see Netjer has provided everything we need to live a good life. The processes that feed Ma'at are all there..
and Set is as much a part of these..as is Heru

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Isian
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Re: Set's bad name new [Re: RevRenee]
      #22166 - 03/24/04 07:26 AM

Blessings,
Lovely analogy, Rev's
It makes ~alot~ of sense to me. In Australia there are certain species of plants that ~rely~ on devistation (such as bushfires) in order to spread their seeds. Without bushfires their seed's can not burst open...(they need a certain amount of heat).
hee hee... I don't actually find it too startling that I learn about aspects of Suti when I have such a love for Heru

Many thanks for the eye openers!

Jen


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Re: Set's bad name new [Re: RevRenee]
      #22169 - 03/24/04 01:39 PM

Em Hotep Rev Renee!
*Bow*
I agree with you (no argument here)... Thats why I stated everything has an opposite in order to exist! True Set does these things...yet Set has also done things that havn't had such a positive effect. That's why I said one should come to know Set...yet stand clear....meaning keeping one eye opened Enshala ShaRenKa


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Re: Set's bad name new [Re: ShaRenKa_Acre]
      #22198 - 03/24/04 11:25 PM

Hotep Sharenka!
<boe>
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yet Set has also done things that havn't had such a positive effect.




Like what?

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That's why I said one should come to know Set...yet stand clear....meaning keeping one eye opened




Hmmm. That depends.
Set sometimes comes to add stength and discipline. ONe eye closed you might miss the real danger from which Set hopes to preserve you..but will still require your own effort

Now what about when He enters more ermm forcefully?
Most often when Set enters into a situation it is bacause what is NEEDED is the total destruction or elimination of something. It may be that you need to keep both eyes open to see What is happening...Or close your eyes in surrender to the storm and to keep the flying dirt out..It could be ine eye open would be most appropriate offering a little of both..
However if what is needed is both closed or open and you insist on keeping one open and one closed..you may end up without one or two eyes ;-)

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Re: Set's bad name new [Re: Isian]
      #22211 - 03/25/04 01:02 AM

Em hotep, all! <bow>

There was a time when I didn't realise how closely the ancient Egyptians observed nature, or how much they derived their understanding of Ma'at from nature. But no longer. Everything in our faith speaks to me of being grounded in that unbelievable plenitude that nature presents us.

As Jen says, some species of plants cannot survive without the devastations of fire or flood or wind. Too long the calmness of what we would call blessed weather, and the cycle of life begins to slow down, as species can no longer rely on that perfection of balance that tilts life toward Ma'at. The balance is achieved in part through wide swings--periods of drought followed by periods of too much rain, perhaps a time of pretty much the right amount, and then the wild swinging again.

ShaRenKa makes an interesting point, too. After all, when we look around us, it's pretty easy to conclude that there is some reason why so many inexplicably bad things happen. Can nature really be a guide to help explain human misbehavior? Well, yes, I think so. Our Kemetic ancestors participated in, observed, reflected on, described, and celebrated nature over a very long time. That's one of the teachings of the natural world, isn't it? That many cycles are very, very big--much longer than a human lifetime can even see--and on that scale tend toward the perfect balance of Ma'at, even while on the human scale that tilt cannot be seen.

So here is an interesting question: We choose, as Wab Jen says somewhere, to support Ma'at or not support Ma'at, and those choices are human sized. They are daily, minute-by-minute decisions, miniscule really. What is the relationship between our actions and the overall tipping of the scale in the big picture toward Ma'at?

Blessings!

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Re: Set's bad name new [Re: RevSedgwick]
      #22215 - 03/25/04 01:11 AM

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So here is an interesting question: We choose, as Wab Jen says somewhere, to support Ma'at or not support Ma'at, and those choices are human sized. They are daily, minute-by-minute decisions, miniscule really. What is the relationship between our actions and the overall tipping of the scale in the big picture toward Ma'at?





to me the answer is one of my favorites - it depends!
it depends on where you're looking - I think that the minute by minute decisions we make can have a huge effect on Ma'at in our lives indvidualy and in the lives of the people we come into contact with - in some cases I think our individual decisions can have much further reach - and it's very dificult or imposible to know what the extent of effects a decsion will have will be - so I think that all we can know is that ever time we make a decision in Ma'at we make the world more Ma'at... by how much and where that'll show up - I don't think we know - but I also don't think we need to... However I can say that many of us have had very concrete experiences that when we act in Ma'at we have a noticably better time with all sorts of things... but it's also not universaly true either... but I think it is a trend...

ok I'll stop rambeling now...

lol

Andy

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Re: Set's bad name new [Re: WabAndy]
      #22234 - 03/25/04 10:53 AM

Blessings, Andy

I agree with you, when you said that 'we may never know' the full extent of our effect on universal Ma'at. And the thought of it can/could be quite daunting... except that I believe we are accountable firstly to walk the path of Ma'at in our own lives. That may or may not affect those around us
Then there are those that have uh.. a little more responsibility towards Ma'at when it comes to other people. Such as... parents, teachers, the police...priest's... doctor's(?). As a parent, it is important for me to teach my children the law's of Ma'at.. to start them off, just as it was for me to learn it from my own parents. What happens when that system breaks down? I don't believe that all is 'lost'... I have a belief that all people truely search for Ma'at their whole lives. And their whole lives, they are blessed with more and more insight

With deep respect,
Jen


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Re: Set's bad name new [Re: Isian]
      #22239 - 03/25/04 02:38 PM

Em Hotep Jen

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except that I believe we are accountable firstly to walk the path of Ma'at in our own lives. That may or may not affect those around us




I totaly agree with you.

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Then there are those that have uh.. a little more responsibility towards Ma'at when it comes to other people. Such as... parents, teachers, the police...priest's... doctor's(?).




I believe we ALL have 100% responsibility for our actions (and therefore for doing Ma'at) but I think that people in greater positions of responsibility are more likeley to impact others if they don't do Ma'at -I'm not sure if that's what you were trying to say and I'm being picky about language, or if it's actualy a different idea...

Take care,

Andy

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Re: Set's bad name new [Re: WabAndy]
      #22240 - 03/25/04 02:49 PM

Blessings, Andy!

Quote:

I believe we ALL have 100% responsibility for our actions (and therefore for doing Ma'at) but I think that people in greater positions of responsibility are more likeley to impact others if they don't do Ma'at -I'm not sure if that's what you were trying to say and I'm being picky about language, or if it's actualy a different idea...




No no, that's what I was trying to say...~laughs~ in my own unique way. ~LOL~

I guess I think of Ma'at as being both 'truth' and 'law'. Is that how you do? This is why I said that as a parent, I have a responsibility to pass on Ma'at to my children.. the rest is up to them

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Re: Set's bad name new [Re: Isian]
      #22243 - 03/25/04 04:30 PM

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No no, that's what I was trying to say...


I thought it might be but I wasn't sure....

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I guess I think of Ma'at as being both 'truth' and 'law'. Is that how you do?




I'm going to ask Rev Renee or Rev Sedgwick to give the offical Per Ankh position on this - since it's something I find difficult to explain...

my thoughts though - I feel that Ma'at is not a word that translates neetley but I would say it's closest to RIGHT at the highest level..... also just, good, correct, balanced, and soforth.... but I think that I'd leave law out of it since so many leagal systems are so unjust in the modern world...

Andy

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Re: Set's bad name new [Re: WabAndy]
      #22269 - 03/26/04 12:10 AM

Hotep friends

<bow>

I actually don't think you guys are disagreeing...Your just using different words

If by "law" one means a "law of nature"--like things fall whenthey are thrown down..Yes

Ma'at is the force/power put into place at the time of creation to preserve and maintain and re-establish the right order of things as Netjer established them at the first time.

We have some great threads with a lot more details on Ma'at on the KOL private side. Feel free to start one here. Let's keep this thread to Set

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Re: Set's bad name new [Re: Isian]
      #22303 - 03/26/04 08:28 PM

Set is the first netjer who identified Himself to me; the first thing He said to me was, "When are you going to dye your damn hair again, huh?" (I took up hennaing my hair intermittently in 2000; now that I'm Kemetic, I dye my hair red as offering for Set. Most recently in a major rite in which I offered the henna before applying it.)

He is always moving when I see Him, except for long moments that are that much powerful because the motion is contained perfectly within the perfect stillness. I have always gone out in thunderstorms when I could, feeling the energies, feeling myself revitalised by the storm.


Seth Beyond the Borders of Egypt

There is no river here
Nor flood to bring the black and green
And birth the land anew.
So he comes rumbling
To bring about his brother's blessing
To fling Osiris to the earth
All in pieces
And to drive the people to take cover
With rain and thunder
Rather than sand.


I am not myself without Him -- His strength is a thing curled up in my soul, rich and red and luminous. I recently went through a period where I could not find Him, and thus could not find myself; I prepared to do rite to make Him offerings in the hopes that He would return to me, with no faith that I could find him. I decided what I was going to do, and He came to me -- I wrote in my journal:

His forearms are massive, and prickle with heat. I have thin, frail arms, especially by comparison to that bulk; the weight of His arms is amazing. I feel the grit of the sand against the soles of my feet, the sand and that same burning heat that comes with the weight of those arms. His ears are held stiffly upright, and I can feel against the side of my head and my temple the thick skin-warmed band of the gold ring piercing the left one, a ring that I believe in remembering must be larger than the palm of my hand -- the size of my hand with fingers out to the first joint, as I crook my hand into a claw, and as thick around as two of my fingers.

And I was whole again, after. I made the offerings I had resolved to make to seek for Him in thanks, instead, as soon as I had everything I needed and an evening I could devote. (And -damn-, was the meal I made for Him good!)

A long time ago, I had a head full of isfet, turmoil and self-destruction. And He appeared to me in a flickering image that lasted only an instant, but was so . . . massively . . . with the cognitive dissonance that it hurt, badly, hurt and I had to laugh with it. He broke my head, and He drained all the isfet out.

At PantheaCon this year, I joined a drum circle, and afterwards found someone I knew to be primarily devoted to Set and asked him how much resonance he found between Set and the drum. (The fellow played for Him.) This is what I wrote about the drum circle, in part:

They dance, in the center of the circle, a third of them stripped at least to the waist; narrow-waisted, overflowing-waisted, hips like a camel, inked and smooth and furred, masked and unmasked, wound up in scarves and ripples and swirling past with the sudden breath of the dancers, lungfuls of moving air a sudden shock in amongst the sweat and driving demands of the rhythm. Here lies Ma'at at Her most primal, that driving pulse that shapes everything as far as it can be heard, each individual drum,each individual bell, each chime and tambour on its own course, all dancing with Ma'at, dancing with Setekh in the violence and the passion of the beat. They writhe, arms twisting, down on their knees, pressed up together, alone, all beautiful -- a full kiss from a bare stranger into the rhythm and out and back into the dance and gone again, familiar and unfamiliar, wild, constrained, boneless or not, the pounding of hands against the instruments that sway with the player's hips, the motions of hips and joints and bare skin glistening (his arms move, pushing him upwards, thrusting higher; she sways, the tattoos swirling down her lower spine into her skirts only accentuating the slither of her hips); in the eye of the dancers a singlefigure, straightly curved, rests on head and elbows, upside down, perfectly vertical, perfectly still, the maypole for the revels. To one side, someone with glowing chains enacts what looks for all the world like a weapons form, glittering in the rhythms, choosing to enact blood rather than sex to the drive of the beat.


He is in many ways alone, the one who minds the edges, the red lands, so that those who live in the black lands are not stalked by the things that He hunts. There is a loneliness to Him at times; there is a loneliness to everyone who is by nature Individual before Community. And He and Herw-Wr both place the crowns upon the head of the king, that the king may know both the strength that comes of the individual and the strength that comes from community. It is Herw first, because the king must be within the community and the heart of the community, but it could not be done without Set and the knowledge of the empty loneliness of the desert.

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Re: Set's bad name new [Re: Lilairen]
      #22324 - 03/27/04 12:28 PM

Wonderful!

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Re: Set's bad name new [Re: Lilairen]
      #22332 - 03/28/04 12:56 AM

Blessings, Lilairen
You certainly have a gift with words ~ to paint such a picture with them. I must admit that when I first read it, I shuddered ~ perhaps even with a little fear.

It should be interesting to see what Set teaches me over the next couple of weeks ~ more so, my response to it~chuckles~

Thanks again,
hotep,
Jen


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Re: Set's bad name new [Re: Lilairen]
      #22335 - 03/28/04 04:01 AM

27 March 04

m htp,
*bow*

I second Rev. Renee! Absolutely wonderful. You do indeed have a way with words, I truly felt your connection with Set.

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Re: Set's bad name new [Re: Isian]
      #22345 - 03/29/04 01:45 PM

Blessings,
How strange it is that I end up back at my own post. Such is the way of things. As it is, I find myself a little 'weighed down' by thoughts and er.. emotion, I guess. I was wondering if by sharing, perhaps some things may become a little 'clearer' for me ~ whether through response here, or perhaps simply through ordering this into typed word.

About four nights back now, during prayer.. I imagined myself walking through a very quiet, large and dark temple dedicated to all of the Netjer. I felt ~very~ small beside these ebony statues that rose near to the ceiling, but even before I had time to press that thought away I felt myself being lifted into the lap of one of the mamoth statue's. When I had the courage to look up, I noted with increasing paranoia that I was in fact on Set's lap. And though the ebony bust of a beast rose before me, it was quite a human looking face that bent down to look at me [as though the spirit of the statue reacted to me, while the physical statue did not]. It grinned ~ I got terrified, but I was sorta being held down.. not tightly, but I was definately being held there. He didn't speak. He just showed me an array of images in the last 5 years ~ the fruit of his manifestations in my life, if you will. Some of them were accepted by me with complete faith, awe and dawning insight. But some of the images terrified me further and I found myself on the edge of shaking my fist at him. I was... furious... and terrified. Without going into detail of what these images were, they were personal near-death experiences. Now, Im not saying that... I did not learn some ~exceptional~ lesson's from these things, in fact, Im ~still~ learning from these lesson's. But I was terrified that I felt Set was claiming association with them, and I was furious with the thought he may have done so. ~chuckles~ Im not being very concise or clear, am I..

Two thoughts occured to me. Perhaps I was blaming Set for these things without them being his 'work' ~ perhaps they happened for reason's other than the Netjer's will. A random act of nature? Possible. Perhaps the Netjer's hand was in the ~saving~ of our lives, rather than the danger to them in which case my terror and fury are truely misplaced.

But what if my first assumption was correct? How do I come to terms with this? Awe and a healthy dose of humility before Set I can certainly aspire to... but I do not truely believe terror or anger are something I should be feeling towards him.

But I am unsure. heh...
thoughts?

thank you.

Jen


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Re: Set's bad name new [Re: Isian]
      #22356 - 03/30/04 02:23 AM

Em hotep Isian,

*huge grin* Please stop having my issues--they are MINE

OK..You say:

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Now, Im not saying that... I did not learn some ~exceptional~ lesson's from these things, in fact, Im ~still~ learning from these lesson's. But I was terrified that I felt Set was claiming association with them, and I was furious with the thought he may have done so. ~chuckles~ Im not being very concise or clear, am I..





Ancient Egyptians never spoke of "Aset Kids" and such. They did however talk about the "Set-Like person" or the "Aset-Like person"

Those of us who strongly identify with Aset have a drive for understanding the whole that knows no limits.

Especially when we are not in our best most centered place we sometimes feel that to have any effect on anything we have to have a full and complete understanding.

Well, guess what? Yup...
There ARE limits to what we can know..Knowledge and understanding of ourselves and the world CAN be a good thing...but only when the knowledge we seek is appropriate to the situation we are exploring and our place within that situation and Ma'at.

The only real answer anyone can give you with any certainty is this:

Set wants you to look at these things and how they relate to your life ..here and now. That is a really really bad time to keep pushing for knowledge and understanding so *you* can decide what you think of His actions and His motives....hehehehe

I knnnowwww ..Really *******I ******** REALLY KNOW.

Let it go Jen. Trust netjer and attend to your current issues and everything will fall into place....You may never know the answer to your question

Go ahead, scream and hit the wall a few times....

OK... Now.....

Let it go... and Live!

Very Best--Another whose dominent energies resemble Aset

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Re: Set's bad name new [Re: RevRenee]
      #22367 - 03/31/04 06:21 AM

Blessings, Rev Renee..

I know you are right.. but... awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! chocolate fudge! That's it? ~le sigh, sudden grin~ Does that mean I can blame the Netjer for my ignorance?~LMAO~ ~runs~

hotep,
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Re: Set's bad name new [Re: Isian]
      #22370 - 03/31/04 01:19 PM

Hotep Jen
:bow:
Quote:

Does that mean I can blame the Netjer for my ignorance?




Sure you can.


Just watch out for Mom's (Aset) reaction

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Re: Set's bad name new [Re: Isian]
      #22372 - 03/31/04 04:40 PM

Em hotep! *bow*

Those of us who strongly identify with Aset have a drive for understanding the whole that knows no limits.

Especially when we are not in our best most centered place we sometimes feel that to have any effect on anything we have to have a full and complete understanding.

Well, guess what? Yup...
There ARE limits to what we can know..Knowledge and understanding of ourselves and the world CAN be a good thing...but only when the knowledge we seek is appropriate to the situation we are exploring and our place within that situation and Ma'at.


How does it happen to those of us with this issue that aren't terribly connected to Aset?

Like, oh, me .

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Re: Set's bad name new [Re: Llyne_Merytamon]
      #22387 - 04/01/04 05:28 AM

Hotep, Llyne

I do not think Rev Renee's advice was intended to be exclusive to me, or "Aset-like people". I guess we all wonder over things that could drive us crazy for months at a time with no real fruit to bear afterwards
After all, attempting to know the mind's of the Netjer is not the same as them revealing what plans they see fit for us to be aware of. Isn't it difficult letting go though? ~ though our mind and heart's are bent on unraveling the mystery, it remains out of reach for a reason ~ and even that reason we can not fathom. We can simply choose to trust, or 'wonder' our lives away ~hug~
I wish you ease in letting go

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Re: Set's bad name new [Re: Isian]
      #22410 - 04/02/04 04:04 AM

Em Hotep, Isian!
*bows*

This is a very good topic, thank you for bring this up.

Encountering Set energy has been a very interesting and in some ways, unsettling experience for me. However, it is one that I will cherish for a long time.

You see, Set is not just the concept of Chaos and I would definately not equate him with the Christian concept of the Devil (remembering that one culture's gods are another culture's devils, depending on who the victor is). He is a necessary and valuable energy that is necessary in order to walk the Path of Ma'at.

Because of Set's energy within one's life it is easier to clear away the dead and old ways and get reading for the new more userful concepts that will follow. As Wab Jen mentioned, he is also known as the Lord of Storms, and that his energy is necessary in life.

In a way, one could almost view Set as being represented by the Tower card in the Major Arcana. It brings about vast changes. They can come semi-gently or they can come with great turmoil and hardship, depending on how open to these changes you are.

For example, this past year has been filled with Set energy. He has enabled me to see some situations more clearly and to removed obstacles from my path in order to come to the place where I am meant to serve and grow the most.

I was Wiccan, and studying with a coven to achieve my HPS status. However, there were many things about this relationship and group that I turned a blind eye to. I believe, no, I know, that it was Set's energy that helped remove those blinders and expose the negativity and the lack of wisdom that I had entrenched myself in. He helped open the way for me to clean house, so to speak.

It wasn't easy, but it was necessary. And when the time came, I graciously cleared away the unncessary and harmful ties that were holding me back and stepped out of the limitations that I had set about myself. This brought me to the place I am today, studying Kemetism and working on becoming a good Priest for the temple of Per Sekhmet of Per Ankh.

Senebty,

Caithlyn

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Re: Set's bad name new [Re: Isian]
      #22429 - 04/02/04 06:57 PM

Em hotep! *bow*

I do not think Rev Renee's advice was intended to be exclusive to me, or "Aset-like people".

Oh, me either! I was mostly giving Rev. Renee trouble because her comments also SO applied to me at our recent retreat, where it became rather evident that I was being too stubborn about wanting to know the whys and hows of everything, and if I wasn't satisfied, not wanting to go along with anything but *my* idea of the "right" way.

Rev. Renee, well, she moderated Netjer's response to that, though she didn't personally get to witness it! LOL

Here, I was basically being silly by saying "But I want to know why I want to know why!!!"

We can simply choose to trust, or 'wonder' our lives away ~hug~
I wish you ease in letting go


I'm still wrestling with that choice some, I think. I do thank you for your support!

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Re: Set's bad name new [Re: Llyne_Merytamon]
      #22432 - 04/02/04 10:33 PM

*wink*

Em hotep<bow>

And from what you all described Wepwawet's response (though this is not at all what He was reported to have said)

was along the lines of "Fine. You don't care and want to do it your way...go ahead..Here you want the control you got it..enjoy;-)"

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Re: Set's bad name new [Re: Isian]
      #22456 - 04/05/04 02:19 PM